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[retrovirus]

QQ im so awesome that because you dont like what i like you are idiots

People are entertained by different things. Book readers enjoy good stories, play-goers enjoy good acting, movie-goers can enjoy good stories, good acting, visual artwork and so on.

If one lacks in story or acting, but has a great art style and an immersive culture and environment...some people might like it.
If one lacks in cinematographic quality, but has great plot and great acting, then some people might like it.

What im trying to say is that you can argue why something lacks in either of these dimensions, or why you dont like the proportions a movie might have. But to be a bitching faggot is a whole other deal. You dont have to like something, you dont even have to be nice about it. But..."Avatar is mediocre at best, and anyone who thinks it was amazing is an idiot who is easily amused by pretty colors"...is just fucked up.

"avatar is mediocre at best"

boom, there you go...perfectly sufficient.

I thought transformers and gi joe were terrible...but i was entertained by the action parts. I thought avatar was great, the plot wasnt the most original but i thought the cultural and environmental aspects of the film (not directly related to plot) in addition to the way it was filmed and portrayed were amazing.

I didnt walk into the film with the critical lens that many people like you do, i came to be entertained. There is nothing that can match the movie visually. That is not to say that I think visuals are the most important part of a movie. ex...star wars 456 > 123.

Edited by retrovirus, 24 December 2009 - 11:38 AM.

[DethFanatic]

Also James Cameron has said he's doing a trilogy. They'll probably have all of Earth attack Pandora in the second.

Wow, really? source on that please.

Saw the movie again today, loved it again. I swear some people go into hyped movies with a negative mindset which skews objective analysis of what makes a movie great. A shame really, and I really do think Avatar was a damn fine movie.

EDIT: EDIT: http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/12/21/james...tells-mtv-news/

heh, he hasnt worked on any script, so it may or may not happen, but considering the money this movie has pulled a sequel is inevitable. hopefully Cameron maintains his brilliance.

Edited by DethFanatic, 26 December 2009 - 01:54 AM.

[Yozki]

I swear some people go into hyped movies with a negative mindset which skews objective analysis of what makes a movie great. A shame really, and I really do think Avatar was a damn fine movie.

This! and it happens in other media too, it happened to halo, to CoD MW2, etc.

Just because something is hyped doesn't mean it's gonna be awesome but it doesn't mean it's gonna be bad either!

[The Colonel]

This! and it happens in other media too, it happened to halo, to CoD MW2, etc.

Judging it objectively, I disliked it. The acting was bad, the story has been done several times over, and the script was pretty awful

[TheShadowNinja]

Wow, really? source on that please.

Saw the movie again today, loved it again. I swear some people go into hyped movies with a negative mindset which skews objective analysis of what makes a movie great. A shame really, and I really do think Avatar was a damn fine movie.

Or on the flip-side, people fall for the hype and believe instantly that whatever they've seen is the best damn movie ever.
Avatar was a mediocre movie, and the only reason I'd ever bother seeing it again was because the visuals actually lived up to the hype.

[PwnDaddy123]

Avatar was a mediocre movie, and the only reason I'd ever bother seeing it again was because the visuals actually lived up to the hype.

Unless you watch it in 3D. I took my glasses off during halfway through the film since they were completely pointless. I don't see the reason why make movies in 3D when it adds nothing to the experience, and it's god damn fucking ugly. It also makes the effects of green screen look horribly done, like when they're on spaceships and stuff, the characters don't look like they're on the same layer making it look it was made by someone in his first few weeks of film class.

[Mighty_Chives]

Uh, but you didn't really, did you. Since the screen would have been really blurry which is worse.

[DethFanatic]

Uh, but you didn't really, did you. Since the screen would have been really blurry which is worse.

this, its terribly blurry without glasses, it would burn your eyes.

Even though the premise for avatar has been done before (and therefore people scream unoriginality), I enjoyed the story, the visuals, the characters and most of the dialogue. It was a very ambitious film.

[Myth]

Judging it objectively, I disliked it. The acting was bad, the story has been done several times over, and the script was pretty awful

the whole point of the movie was to jizz your pants at teh awsum grafix and how it reminded everyone of the outlands

[Dohregard]

seeing it tonight in the IMAX

[Karko]

Or on the flip-side, people fall for the hype and believe instantly that whatever they've seen is the best damn movie ever.
Avatar was a mediocre movie, and the only reason I'd ever bother seeing it again was because the visuals actually lived up to the hype.

I would disagree with you as far as it being mediocre. The plot may just be Dances with Wolves featuring Pocahontas in Fern Gully but the presentation of the whole thing, the sound, visuals and the setting really do make the movie something special. The characters are stereotypes, I won't deny it but these various molds exist because they work and in this case I think it actually helps to have characters that we find immediately familiar even without a great deal of exposure.

[PwnDaddy123]

Uh, but you didn't really, did you. Since the screen would have been really blurry which is worse.

It was really blurry, but the 3D was distracting and not good. It didn't burn my eyes at all though.

[shunted]

the director stated in an interview that avatar was dancing with wolves in space

[DethFanatic]

It was really blurry, but the 3D was distracting and not good. It didn't burn my eyes at all though.

i just cant respect your opinion about this movie when you would rather watch it incredibly blurred (which would be distracting) over 3D, sharp, etc..

its like you said to yourself, OK I HATE 3D, I HATE THIS MOVIE SO IM GONNA MAKE SURE I HATE IT EVEN MORE *crunches glasses in hands* IM SO COOL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[way2lazy2care]

the director stated in an interview that avatar was dancing with wolves in space

When asked if Avatar is similar to Dances With Wolves, since it's about a battered military man who finds something pure in an endangered tribal culture:

Yes, exactly, it is very much like that. You see the same theme in "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" and also "The Emerald Forest," which maybe thematically isn't that connected but it did have that clash of civilizations or of cultures. That was another reference point for me. There was some beautiful stuff in that film. I just gathered all this stuff in and then you look at it through the lens of science fiction and it comes out looking very different but is still recognizable in a universal story way. It's almost comfortable for the audience – "I know what kind of tale this is." They're not just sitting there scratching their heads, they're enjoying it and being taken along. And we still have turns and surprises in it, too, things you don't see coming. But the idea that you feel like you are in a classic story, a story that could have been shaped by Rudyard Kipling or Edgar Rice Burroughs.

selective summary of a quote taken out of context fail.

He said exactly what I said, "You see the same theme in "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" and also "The Emerald Forest," which maybe thematically isn't that connected but it did have that clash of civilizations or of cultures."

They are stylistically completely different and made to accentuate completely different aspects of film-making despite them having a similar theme in their story.

[Dohregard]

This movie fucking rocked. The 3D was amazing, the animation was ridiculous and I actually liked the story

[Karko]

I just got back from seeing it again but in 3d and honestly I really did not enjoy the added effect. There were a few scenes which were better for it but for the most part I found it distracting rather than a worthwhile addition.

[TheShadowNinja]

When asked if Avatar is similar to Dances With Wolves, since it's about a battered military man who finds something pure in an endangered tribal culture:

selective summary of a quote taken out of context fail.

He said exactly what I said, "You see the same theme in "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" and also "The Emerald Forest," which maybe thematically isn't that connected but it did have that clash of civilizations or of cultures."

They are stylistically completely different and made to accentuate completely different aspects of film-making despite them having a similar theme in their story.

The fact that it's a "going-native" story makes it an extremely predictable film.
I could care less whether they are different styles or genres, I knew exactly what was going to happen before it did.

It ruined the movie for me.

[way2lazy2care]

The fact that it's a "going-native" story makes it an extremely predictable film.
I could care less whether they are different styles or genres, I knew exactly what was going to happen before it did.

It ruined the movie for me.

IT'S AN ACTION MOVIE!

Apparently when everyone else watched the trailers, saw all the explosions and battles, all the running away from monsters, they instantly thought DAMN THAT LOOKS LIKE SOME SWEET PLOT! Maybe I'm the only one that thought, sweet action movie.

REPORTED FOR MERGE OF THE LAST LITTLE BIT TO AVATAR THREAD.

[PwnDaddy123]

Action takes a large portion of the film but I don't think James Cameron goal was to create an action film, he was very enthusiastic about the plot when I heard his 4 hour long presentation at E3.