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I searched, and could only find something on the program Reason, so I thought I'd make a thread on producing music/beats.


I've currently played around with a few free music makers such as "TrakAx," which wasn't bad. I'm now torrenting "Fruity loops." Was going to download Reason, but couldn't find a decent torrent which would be finished in a week, let alone a day.


I thought this thread could be used to discuss tips and tricks on producing beats, like where do people get the inspiration for a song from? Where do you get your samples or loops from? And stuff like that.


I'll also try put any decent tracks I make in this thread, so see how it goes!


Discuss.
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I made a thread for this a while back, but it got a bit buried.

http://forums.purepw...showtopic=88453

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How the heck did that not come up in my search? icon_biggrin.gif


I knew you'd reply anyways icon_wink.gif


49% of my Fruity loops is done, keeping it on over night, will be making beats by tomorow! Where do you get all your drum loops from etc? Torrent aswell?
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Fuck Fruity Loops. If you're planning on working on loops for your production, get Sony ACID. If you want to work your way up to using more professional DAWs, check out Reaper. You can get plenty of free loops from Acidplanet.com and freesound.org.

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Thanks the heads up, just installed loops and all I can say is wow, a beat machine and everything, jus wow! Going to have fun with this later, if only I had time to use now icon_sad.gif
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QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Jul 26 2009, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fuck Fruity Loops. If you're planning on working on loops for your production, get Sony ACID. If you want to work your way up to using more professional DAWs, check out Reaper. You can get plenty of free loops from Acidplanet.com and freesound.org.

Acid is a really solid program. Basically get samples from crate digging. There is so much music that you just can't torrent with awesome breaks. Try to get a feel for what you want to produce, because it is all somewhat specific. IF you want to do electronica, you'll definitely either want to get a synth or a synth program(can be meh, but some are good), regardless, you should get at least one turn table to rip samples from.
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QUOTE (MCClammer @ Jul 30 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is so much music that you just can't torrent with awesome breaks.


Actually you can get pretty much all of the known breaks that have been used since the beginning of sampling on CD and via torrents.

While sampling from Vinyl is nice and can give you access to rare samples, sampling from digital formats nowadays is much easier and can provide more range at a higher quality.


QUOTE (MCClammer @ Jul 30 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
IF you want to do electronica, you'll definitely either want to get a synth or a synth program(can be meh, but some are good),


Most production nowadays, Electronica or not, utilizes synthesizers in one way or another. Therefore, synthesizers are a vital tool for any producer. Most Digital Audio Workstations come prepackaged with softsynths and can be expanded via plugins.

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I just want to throw in that I still hate MIDI.


Eugh.

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My self I hate acid, used to use it when I was 12/13 for experimenting , but didn't get much out of that. Fl studio is ok, you can make nice music out of that, always be universal icon_smile.gif.

The program I love to use is Ableton live 8, My Ideas fly fast on that program, making beats are sexy, VERY sexy, you can make a beat very fast.
Btw I hope you guys don't use "Already" made Beat loops... xD thats just pure lazyness. Plus, with Fl studio im sure you have the "Drum VSTi" so you can make beats pretty fast there too.
Logic pro is cool also, everyone says its hard to use , but like any other program, if your 2 days straight playing with it, youll get the hang of it icon_smile.gif.
I used to use Reason , but, it doesn't allow 3rd party vsti which was a bit limmiting, but I liked how stable it .
So for now im with ableton live 8, because I can produce anything that I can just think of .

I torrented some of my samples , bass, hats etc.., or when Im inspired, I just cut out a sounds out of certain songs and sample it and use them xD
Oh music is a huge place xD

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fl studio is a very good program if you are just starting out! thats what i use!!
making a drum beat on there is so simple!!!
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QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Jul 31 2009, 04:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to throw in that I still hate MIDI.


You hate MIDI? What particular aspect of it do you hate? MIDI is what makes most music possible these days tbh.

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QUOTE (j type @ Jul 31 2009, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You hate MIDI? What particular aspect of it do you hate? MIDI is what makes most music possible these days tbh.

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how can you hate midi?

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QUOTE (j type @ Jul 31 2009, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
MIDI is what makes most music possible these days tbh.

I wouldn't exactly consider music "these days" good music.

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Still havent got the hang of FL as havent had much time to play around with it, I'll give it ago later after work, 4 hour shifts FTL.
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1) MIDI voicing in general tends to suck in regards to the actual instrument
2) I'd much rather deal with editing an actual audio file than playing around with MIDI, it gives me a headache
3) I've never had a good experience with mixing real audio and MIDI into the same track
4) Why the fuck does everyone like it? Seriously? The only purpose I see for it is auto-tune plugins.

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QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 1 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1) MIDI voicing in general tends to suck in regards to the actual instrument
2) I'd much rather deal with editing an actual audio file than playing around with MIDI, it gives me a headache
3) I've never had a good experience with mixing real audio and MIDI into the same track
4) Why the fuck does everyone like it? Seriously? The only purpose I see for it is auto-tune plugins.



I think I can safely say that all Digital Audio requires MIDI input to some extent, even if it's just for the purpose of transport controls and automation/adjustment of parameters.

When you say things like, "1) MIDI voicing in general tends to suck in regards to the actual instrument", it makes me wonder if you are fully understanding what MIDI is. MIDI has no 'sound' per say. It is a means of transmitting "event messages", not audio. Therefore, the sound you hear isn't MIDI itself, but rather whatever plugin, synthesizer, piece of hardware is being communicated with/controlled via the MIDI format.

Even songs that are constructed of only audio require MIDI. MIDI data can be used to sequence samples, automate effects and/or mix faders.

QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 1 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
4) Why the fuck does everyone like it? Seriously? The only purpose I see for it is auto-tune plugins.


I love MIDI because I love music. And MIDI is what makes music possible in this era. It certainly makes what I do possible, ie. making music entirely on my computer.


QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 1 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2) I'd much rather deal with editing an actual audio file than playing around with MIDI, it gives me a headache


To be honest, MIDI is much easier to work with than audio is. At least in most DAWs. With MIDI you can easily access and adjust any individual parameter, whereas with audio it is much much harder to do this.

QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 1 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
3) I've never had a good experience with mixing real audio and MIDI into the same track


In what way have you tried to do this? Again, MIDI can control so many different parameters, so I'm not sure what might be giving you so much trouble.


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I wouldn't exactly consider music "these days" good music.


Wow! How old are you dude? Surely you can't be old enough to subscribe to the "they don't make it like they used to" nonsense, are you? If you don't like the music that you're hearing these days, then you're listening to the wrong stuff. It's as simple as that.

There is more music being made now than ever before in history. And in more different styles too. While that doesn't mean that it's all good stuff, or that all modern music is better than that of previous eras, it does mean that there is more variety and more room for creativity.

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Few people have been doubting FL, all I can say is; http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


It's imense, had a little play today, gonna spend my next two days trying to learn more as theres sooooo much to this program.
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You can certainly make good-sounding tracks in FL. There is no doubt about that. It's not the software that does it, it's the person controlling the software (sorry for the awful cliché. It just had to be said). I know one or two professional composers and producers who use FL as there DAW and love it.

You can't really say one DAW is better than the other, or one makes better music than the other, because that's simply not true. As long as you're comfortable with your software and it has the features you need, there is nothing stopping you from making top-quality music on it.

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QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think I can safely say that all Digital Audio requires MIDI input to some extent, even if it's just for the purpose of transport controls and automation/adjustment of parameters.

Requires? Hardly. I don't use MIDI in my music, be it originals or remixes. To say that you use a MIDI Keyboard for controls and editing, is not the extent of MIDI that I'm talking about. I'm focusing more on soft synths and shit like that. Furthermore, MIDI controllers are not necessary for recording and production.

QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When you say things like, "1) MIDI voicing in general tends to suck in regards to the actual instrument", it makes me wonder if you are fully understanding what MIDI is. MIDI has no 'sound' per say. It is a means of transmitting "event messages", not audio. Therefore, the sound you hear isn't MIDI itself, but rather whatever plugin, synthesizer, piece of hardware is being communicated with/controlled via the MIDI format.

And I have yet to hear any decent sounding soft synths for most any instrument.

QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Even songs that are constructed of only audio require MIDI. MIDI data can be used to sequence samples, automate effects and/or mix faders.

Can be doesn't mean is. Almost all recording we do at the studio in my university can be done without the use of MIDI, and quite frankly I think it's easier to do it that way.

QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love MIDI because I love music. And MIDI is what makes music possible in this era. It certainly makes what I do possible, ie. making music entirely on my computer.

That's silly. I love music too, but unlike yourself I actually play instruments. Apparently you like pressing keys on a MIDI keyboard. Perhaps you should look into mainstream hip hop, sounds like the level of effort into creating music that's right up your alley. MIDI doesn't make music possible, MIDI has made music progressively worse.

QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, MIDI is much easier to work with than audio is. At least in most DAWs. With MIDI you can easily access and adjust any individual parameter, whereas with audio it is much much harder to do this.

I've never found MIDI easier to work with than raw audio, in fact the opposite. Raw audio requires an understanding of what you're doing, and once you have it, you can do damned near anything with ease.

QUOTE (j type @ Aug 1 2009, 12:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
In what way have you tried to do this? Again, MIDI can control so many different parameters, so I'm not sure what might be giving you so much trouble.

Soft synths mostly for various instruments I can't be arsed to sample and edit. After an hour or so I still can't get the sound I want (see prior comment about working with audio) so I say fuck it and end up sampling and editing anyway, to great satisfaction.

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QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 2 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Requires? Hardly. I don't use MIDI in my music, be it originals or remixes. To say that you use a MIDI Keyboard for controls and editing, is not the extent of MIDI that I'm talking about. I'm focusing more on soft synths and shit like that. Furthermore, MIDI controllers are not necessary for recording and production.


But soft synths are only a fraction of what MIDI is about. And it's not just limited to that. If you're saying that you don't like the sound of most synthesized music, then that's a different issue entirely.


QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 2 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I have yet to hear any decent sounding soft synths for most any instrument.


Well, are you referring to actual soft synths? Or instrument emulators? Or giga samplers? If you are looking to soft synths for instrument emulation, then you're pretty much looking in the wrong place and it's no surprise that you haven't found any that sound 'decent'.

In my experience, there are several instruments that can very well be recreated digitally anyway, either via synthesis or sampling. Pianos, drums, harps and most percussive instruments are a good example of this. Of course, stringed instruments do present more of a challenge, but can still sound very convincing.


QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 2 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's silly. I love music too, but unlike yourself I actually play instruments. Apparently you like pressing keys on a MIDI keyboard. Perhaps you should look into mainstream hip hop, sounds like the level of effort into creating music that's right up your alley. MIDI doesn't make music possible, MIDI has made music progressively worse.


Lol! You assume that I don't play any instruments, when I actually do. I play several. So don't try to turn that into an underhanded criticism of the genres that I like working in, nor the level of effort that you think goes into my music.

Your statement that "MIDI has made music progressively worse", is not only wrong, but displays a very narrow-minded opinion and outlook on music.

Actually your comments are starting to reveal a certain snobbery towards electronic music as a whole, which, among other things, has no place in this thread (see title).


QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 2 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Raw audio requires an understanding of what you're doing, and once you have it, you can do damned near anything with ease.


So, what, MIDI requires no understanding of what you're doing?


QUOTE (Majiffy The Magic Admin @ Aug 2 2009, 02:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soft synths mostly for various instruments I can't be arsed to sample and edit. After an hour or so I still can't get the sound I want (see prior comment about working with audio) so I say fuck it and end up sampling and editing anyway, to great satisfaction.


So is the issue is that you can't be bothered to learn and put the effort into using soft synths or giga samplers?

Edited by j type, 02 August 2009 - 02:07 PM.





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