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[Pawnator]

If that was not a joke, then I find that amazingly unrealistic.

You doubt the power of the Big Knife?


Anywai...
Maybe the youtube Taekkyon moves look like Taekwondo, because it IS taekwondo, and they just re-named it Taekkyon to get money for having the name of an ancient korean MA? Interesting...

Perhaps you could share some of these youtube links with us.

[(GA)Mansavage]

Not a fanboy, but nice try at flame baiting.

Anyways, no, the reason I said that is because in every thread about Martial Arts, Pawnator is the undisputed king of knowledge.
Just like st1dinoh and Fin own at most debates but shine when it comes to debating conspiracies/American criticism.

It's just how these things go.
But for now,

Flame Baiting? interesting term. : D

[(GA)Mansavage]

You doubt the power of the Big Knife?


Anywai...
Maybe the youtube Taekkyon moves look like Taekwondo, because it IS taekwondo, and they just re-named it Taekkyon to get money for having the name of an ancient korean MA? Interesting...

Perhaps you could share some of these youtube links with us.

I know for a fact it isnt tae kwon do. This is because the forms shown are not in the Palgwe or Tae-Guk forms. I think its fair that if you can use wikipedia to provide evidence that im wrong, then i can use youtube to provide evidence that youre wrong. I would also like to point out that we are probably both wrong to a point, because I think weve both made some good points against each other.
Links:

Note: uniforms different than tae kwon do uniforms, yet kicking foot positioning and other techniques similar.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Note: Jumping hook kicks and other techniques identical to Tae Kwon Do (i realize both links are the same demo)

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Note: Moves are identical to many moves in the Palgwe forms, including the choking technique in Koryo (00:25), many moves identical to Palgwe forms 6, 8, Koryo, and others

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Note: pardon the ridiculous music. Push kicks identical to Tae Kwon Do. Hook Kicks identical. 00:34 = Tae Kwon Do jump 360 crescent kick. 00:46 = practiced Tae Kwon Do self defense technique

In conclusion, many many many Taek Kyon moves depicted show direct to similar relation to many Tae Kwon Do Moves

[Pawnator]

I know for a fact it isnt tae kwon do. This is because the forms shown are not in the Palgwe or Tae-Guk forms. I think its fair that if you can use wikipedia to provide evidence that im wrong, then i can use youtube to provide evidence that youre wrong. I would also like to point out that we are probably both wrong to a point, because I think weve both made some good points against each other.
Links:
<a href=" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHc69O9sv2E</a>
Note: uniforms different than tae kwon do uniforms, yet kicking foot positioning and other techniques similar.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORqKjdg86A...feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORqKjdg86A...feature=related</a>
Note: Jumping hook kicks and other techniques identical to Tae Kwon Do (i realize both links are the same demo)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORqKjdg86A...feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dORqKjdg86A...feature=related</a>
Note: Moves are identical to many moves in the Palgwe forms, including the choking technique in Koryo (00:25), many moves identical to Palgwe forms 6, 8, Koryo, and others

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGD-QGnCYdw...feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGD-QGnCYdw...feature=related</a>
Note: pardon the ridiculous music. Push kicks identical to Tae Kwon Do. Hook Kicks identical. 00:34 = Tae Kwon Do jump 360 crescent kick. 00:46 = practiced Tae Kwon Do self defense technique

In conclusion, many many many Taek Kyon moves depicted show direct to similar relation to many Tae Kwon Do Moves

Your only evidence that this isn't TKD is that the uniforms seem different and the forms are supposedly not canon. Can you put forth some historical evidence? Maybe an article, or a book, or any source? A lineage diagram, maybe?

[LightningMunk]

Who did you train under in BJJ? who in Muay Thai? Who in JKD? You must be a pretty old guy to have learned all those styles. Learning six styles takes a while.

lul, did u not see what i typed in my post? you take what fits you the best from each style, and form it into your own style. i mean the inventors of those styles picked moves that fit them the best and taught other people. im guessin Sumo does not always work for skinny people lol. i trained in BJJ under the Gracies, Muay Thai in my organization i train in now (some american freestyle stuff along with some researching books and online tutorials *youtube ftw *) and JKD is a concept, not a style, thats from his book. and like the other dude said before, MMA is a mixture of styles (mostly muay thai, wrestling, jiujitsu). i have to agree there are alot of rules, but still are some great fighters if you fight in a neutral zone.

[Pawnator]

lul, did u not see what i typed in my post? you take what fits you the best from each style, and form it into your own style. i mean the inventors of those styles picked moves that fit them the best and taught other people. im guessin Sumo does not always work for skinny people lol. i trained in BJJ under the Gracies, Muay Thai in my organization i train in now (some american freestyle stuff along with some researching books and online tutorials *youtube ftw *) and JKD is a concept, not a style, thats from his book. and like the other dude said before, MMA is a mixture of styles (mostly muay thai, wrestling, jiujitsu). i have to agree there are alot of rules, but still are some great fighters if you fight in a neutral zone.

What belt are you in gracie Jiu Jitsu? WHICH gracie did you train under? And JKD, while originally a concept, now refers to Jun Fan Gung Fu as perpetuated by Dan Inosanto and his disciples.

So how long have you been training muay thai? Is it taught independently from the kickboxing and tkd offered at "american freestyle"?

[LightningMunk]

i trained under private lessons of Ryron Gracie (royce's nephew) and trained for a little while with Rorion. Royler was upstairs and Helio wasnt in town so I just trained with Ryron (great instructor if anyone wants to know ) Well I have Bruce Lee's books since there is no school within 100 miles of my house that teaches the Jun Fan Gung Fu, so i take it from Bruce Lee's notes. Muay Thai...agh...probabblyyyy.....2-3 years? There are scarcly any martial arts schools around, so the internet is a great resource for learning.
the place is not called "american freestyle" thats the style they teach. we just incorporate alot of different martial arts techniques, but not as much, so thats why i prefer to authentic my own style and learn directly from Muay Thai sources, but i'm trying to learn Muay Boran, so if anyone has any sources on that i would be most thankful . plus i have been training in escrimas, bo staff, and three sectional (swords are fun but not that good at it lol). and its funny to freak people out in sparring by going MICRO STYLE !!!!

[Pawnator]

Very cool. So you lived in Cali for a while?

[Jeremy S]

i trained under private lessons of Ryron Gracie (royce's nephew) and trained for a little while with Rorion. Royler was upstairs and Helio wasnt in town so I just trained with Ryron (great instructor if anyone wants to know ) Well I have Bruce Lee's books since there is no school within 100 miles of my house that teaches the Jun Fan Gung Fu, so i take it from Bruce Lee's notes. Muay Thai...agh...probabblyyyy.....2-3 years? There are scarcly any martial arts schools around, so the internet is a great resource for learning.
the place is not called "american freestyle" thats the style they teach. we just incorporate alot of different martial arts techniques, but not as much, so thats why i prefer to authentic my own style and learn directly from Muay Thai sources, but i'm trying to learn Muay Boran, so if anyone has any sources on that i would be most thankful . plus i have been training in escrimas, bo staff, and three sectional (swords are fun but not that good at it lol). and its funny to freak people out in sparring by going MICRO STYLE !!!!

holy fucking fuck

how old are you?

[LightningMunk]

yea just for a few months, stayed with my parent's friends out in Torrance. i was so psyched cuz torrance was like the gracie capital of the world!! lol, i couldnt enroll really, so i figured i would do private lessons (helluva expensive but worth it )
heres some pix

[LightningMunk]

holy fucking fuck

how old are you?

haha turning 19

felt bad wearing my black belt there, but i had no other belts, so i asked for a white belt (notice 2nd picture lol) but they said i could wear my black belt next time. freakin awesome guys the gracies are! if u have a chance to train with them, go for it

[Jeremy S]

sir have you noticed your belt has a very dark color in those pictures?

so is that black belt for freestyle or the jits?

[LightningMunk]

ha those pix were takin a year ago, you should see my black belt now, half white half black
....cheap Century

my black belt is for Freestyle, pretty quick to get that one, 4 years
i WISH it was gracie jiujitsu, i would cry for one of those lol, liek....10 years to get one? id love to train with the Gracies, live out in LA, win/win

[Jeremy S]

oh darn i was thinking you were some sort of bjj prodigy. =/


lol jk

sick stuff training with teh gracies

[LightningMunk]

oh darn i was thinking you were some sort of bjj prodigy. =/


lol jk

sick stuff training with teh gracies

ha if i was a bjj prodigy, my name would have to start with an R and have a last name Gracie lmao

[Garamiah]

TKD is shit, i only train in MMA by watching the movie Never Back Down on loop.

[Jeremy S]

TKD is shit, i only train in MMA by watching the movie Never Back Down on loop.

not funny. this is nto shit to be joked on. unless you have a gay joke about bjj that i havent heard yet.

[Garamiah]

not funny. this is nto shit to be joked on. unless you have a gay joke about bjj that i havent heard yet.

lol wut? since when was bjj gay? getting all hot and sweaty rollin around with men and squeezing their nipples into submission is the manliest thing ever

[LightningMunk]

im goin to go watch Never Back Down in about two hours, hopes its teh shit. id rather prefer old style martial arts movies though, like Fearless or Hero.

oh and speaking of gay jiujitsu joke

[Pawnator]

Way old, way old.