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'08 Presidential Race (US)


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Poll: Canidate Poll (207 member(s) have cast votes)

Democratic Canidate?

  1. Obama (130 votes [62.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.80%

  2. Clinton (8 votes [3.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.86%

  3. Edwards (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  4. Dodd (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Kucinich (9 votes [4.35%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.35%

  6. Gravel (3 votes [1.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.45%

  7. Richardson (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  8. Biden (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. "I think I'd make a better Presedent" (47 votes [22.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.71%

  10. Other canidate (8 votes [3.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.86%

Republican Canidate?

  1. Giuliani (8 votes [3.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.86%

  2. Romney (6 votes [2.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.90%

  3. Huckabee (8 votes [3.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.86%

  4. Ron Paul (83 votes [40.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.10%

  5. McCain (39 votes [18.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.84%

  6. Hunter (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Thomson (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  8. Tancredo (1 votes [0.48%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.48%

  9. "I think I'd make a better Presedent" (53 votes [25.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.60%

  10. Other canidate (8 votes [3.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.86%

After the primaries: Would you vote for your chosen democratic or republican canidate?

  1. Democrat (94 votes [45.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.41%

  2. Republican (45 votes [21.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  3. Either (38 votes [18.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.36%

  4. Another party/ other (30 votes [14.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.49%

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if the Next muppet has as mutch power as president of U.S.A.... Yes.

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McCain/MILF '08

My class laughed at me for saying Palin is hot pp_smiley14.gif They just don't know what they're missing.

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QUOTE (Fin @ Sep 6 2008, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
if the Next muppet has as mutch power as president of U.S.A.... Yes.



the president just gets to sit on the TV and talk about shit. all his employers advisers tell him what to say.

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the president just gets to sit on the TV and talk about shit. all his employers advisers tell him what to say.

I smell ... a Tinfoil..

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lol ok.


go back to sleep America, your government is in control.

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QUOTE (Dohregard @ Sep 5 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lol ok.


go back to sleep America, your government is in control.

i won't sleep unless the government pays me $100 for a new pillow. i'm sure they'd do it too.

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QUOTE (Fin @ Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A question ..

1.What exacly do you like about your candidates politics? Is it his plan for Economy ? Foreign affairs? Environment? Or is he simply the lesser of two evils ?


i've always leaned twords the republican side of the fence simply because it's more of a "do for yourself" rather than a "do for me" kind of government. so as far as taxes and personal responsibility i tend to favor McCains platform over the socialist manifesto type shit coming from the messiah BHO.

lower taxes on the working class means more money for them to invest in and/or open businesses. this is the type of shit that drives this nation. the ability for me to begin to provide a service or a good to people. provided people want what i provide, i can make money. i can hire people, these people help me make money, and in exchange they make money. under high taxes and labor state mentality, such as the democrats promote, it's difficult for businesses to make a profit. so this slows our economy down. their plan is to tax the hell out of everyone and everything then hand it back to you in levels they see fit. i say fuck that. what if i want more than BHO thinks i deserve...i'm powerless to improve my situation. with McCain i'm able to control my own destiny.

unfortunately there hasn't been much from either candidate concerning the foreign affairs. aside form the obvious difference of BHO wanting to sit and have tea with dictators and mad men...i assume they'd get along swimmingly. but McCain basically wants to adhere to diplomacy with diplomatic nations. if a nation is being a huge fag...no deal...possibly action against them via the UN. if a country attacks us or our allies, we unleash holy hell on them.

thats something i can live with. in a case where action is necessary i trust McCain to do what needs to be done a hell of a lot more than BHO. BHO is the type of guy who would let another nation get away with shit, McCain seems to be more the kinda guy to hit back instead of turtleing up and taking the hits.

environment wise, i think McCains plan beats the hell out of BHO's plan.

McCains plan: drill everywhere, build new refineries, and invest in solar, wind, and nuclear.

BHO's plan, more of the same democrat bullshit of tying our hands and not allowing us to produce domestic power. he hasn't said shit about the environment other than he "wants to change". i dunno if he came out and said the same things McCain has, i wouldn't have a preference.

then again, he is rather notorious for repeating his threats to the big oil companies that if (god forbid) he gets in office, he'll tax the fuck out of them. statements/threats like this play well with morons who are think it's somehow unfair that they don't make that much money (jealous fags TBH) but in the real world, BHO's plan has one major flaw. if the oil companies are forced to pay a shit load of money to the government, they will be forced to raise their product price on what they produce. that tax burden becomes a part of their overhead. in order to maintain something around a %8 profit margin (what they run at now which is under the margin for a lot of business in this world) they would be forced to increase the price of their end product by the same rate.

this means BHO's "tax big oil" only hurts people who work for a living. people who drive to work everyday will be paying substantial more for their daily commute, goods and services across the board will jump in price due to increased shipping costs. it would be a nightmare for the average American.

unfortunately most people are so fucking stupid all they hear is "attack big oil" and they get hard out of some sick need to see success punished. i wonder if these same people would be ok with the cost of everything they eat/drink/buy doubling.

QUOTE (Fin @ Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2.Do you belive that he can deliver what he promises?


absolutely. the bush tax cuts would be rolled back under BHO, this would be a disaster to people who work for a living. McCain would do what he could to keep them going, extend them and possibly increase them. the less government the better as far as i'm concerned.

the one thing that encourages me the most is McCain's, and especially Palin's ability to get the base fired up and get the logical side of the argument out there. this is something bush was never very good at. bush tended to just roll right over and take it, i think McCain/Palin would do a much better job of stating the case for the republican plan and getting people to support it. you'll never reach the labor union's, or the kids who don't know shit yet, they'll always vote D because they've been used to getting everything handed to them. but even in the case of minorities...i think McCain has a much better shot at conveying the promise of rewarding personal responsibility and hard work. under the republican plan, if you go out there and work hard and do right, you are rewarded. under the democrat plan, the more you bust your ass, the harder they fuck you. standing up there and explaining it so people can understand it is the only way to get through to the mass populace. right now they are so spoon fed we have droves of people planning to vote for a guy based on empty promises of "change" which he has yet to define. the only definitions he's come out and admitted have been straight out of the communist manifesto, and people are to numb to hear it. they just hear "hope" "change"...

McCain and Palin both have the communication skills to stand up and speak out, and define the republican ideals.

FFS man that speech Palin gave the other day was basically republican porn. i almost blew a wad when she said this:

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As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.


i almost came.

QUOTE (Fin @ Sep 5 2008, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And this one is more direcly towards McCain supporters

3.Does being a PoW make him more qualified to be a president? Because even tho I have great respect towards McCains military record (He is a hero by all standards), but I cant see how it could possibly make him a better president, then a person who has not been a PoW.


not necessarily, i mean it does add a certain amount of admiration to his character, but it's not as if i'd vote a guy into office based on something so trivial. it speaks less to his politics, and much more to his character. i believe he's a better man than most, just based on the sacrifices he made and the hell he survived. but it's not as if that trumps everything and anything anyone else goes through in life.

if the phrase "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" holds true, then i'd have to say it makes McCain a man with a much stronger constitution and pride than a guy who made his way up through politics off the support of 70's radicals, slum lords, marxist underground leaders, and racist anarchist religious leaders.

what makes me want to vote for McCain is what he and his party stands for. i'd rather have the promise to reserve the ability to create my own future, than a promise of government servitude while watching my money go into the pockets of the people who work less for themselves and care less about their country than i do.

socialists, and marxist call that selfishness, real people call that pride and honor.

thats why i'm voting for McCain.

QUOTE (Zeos @ Sep 6 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
McCain/MILF '08

My class laughed at me for saying Palin is hot pp_smiley14.gif They just don't know what they're missing.


she a total milf, got that sassy attitude that just kinda makes you want to drink tequilla with her and fuck all night.

i bet she's a beast in the sack.

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I am Canadian, so I can't really get into the deep stuff in the US.

But I tend to like Obama a bit better mainly because I disagree with some of McCain's opinions.
Such as drilling. I think that the oil addiction should be fixed with different energy plans rather than getting more oil.

As well, I have doubts that McCain can serve the four years as president, and I dun really think Palin is qualified for president of such an important country like USA.

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QUOTE (H17M4N @ Sep 6 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am Canadian, so I can't really get into the deep stuff in the US.

But I tend to like Obama a bit better mainly because I disagree with some of McCain's opinions.
Such as drilling. I think that the oil addiction should be fixed with different energy plans rather than getting more oil.

As well, I have doubts that McCain can serve the four years as president, and I dun really think Palin is qualified for president of such an important country like USA.



ok, then let me fill you in on a few things.

drilling isn't going to magically make the world fill with solar, wind and nuclear technology. but what the hell are we supposed to do until then?

we are years away from full scale production and use of alternative fuel cars. while we develop and institute these technologies, is it the smart thing to do to continue paying absurd prices for something the world runs on when we can produce it here? i mean, seriously...have you actually thought about this subject or are you just going along with the herd? what sense does it make to not make gas/oil/power cheaper while we begin the transition to other sources? how the fuck would not drilling help us in anyway shape or form?

next, why exactly do you think McCain can't "last" 4 years? does he appear to you as if he's toting around an oxygen tank or using a walker or r something. McCain is decades away from being "too old to do the job". i mean does being president require running marathons or lifting heavy objects? last i checked you basically just sit at a desk all day. what part of that sounds to be too stressful for a man his age?

again, are you sure you've formed your own opinion on this or have you simply let the little talking picture box in your living room form it for you?

lastly, what the fuck makes Palin inexperienced? she's been senator of a state that is vital to this nations economy and energy. she has an %80 approval rating. the democrat led congress has a %2 approval rating.

also what experience does BHO have? can you honestly name me anything the man has accomplished in his life other than writing some horseshit books about himself? being able to suck your own cock by writing some shit down on paper and sending to an editor doesn't qualify him to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

he's never done anything for this country, he's a socialist piece of shit.

the only possible reason someone from a forign country could want BHO in office is because they hate our country and want us to fail.

BHO will ruin this country.

i'm telling everyone right now, you think this shit is funny, well when we are too busy taking care of our socialism induced depression and we are too busy to help you...

don't bother asking for help, there won't be any to give.

whats canada gonna do when it's military (the US military) is busy taking care of shit at home, and we are too busy to help you with Putin coming over the pole and fucking with you.

this election effects the world, BHO will not just be bad for our country, he'll be bad for everyone reading this.

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QUOTE (confrico @ Sep 6 2008, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i won't sleep unless the government pays me $100 for a new pillow. i'm sure they'd do it too.



what do you think the tax credit was for?

QUOTE (ST1DinOH @ Sep 6 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lastly, what the fuck makes Palin inexperienced? she's been senator of a state that is vital to this nations economy and energy. she has an € approval rating. the democrat led congress has a %2 approval rating.



Palin is Governor of Alaska, actually.


Ted Stevens has a very high approval rating, and he is about to go to prison... so I don't think the approval of morons makes you anything more than a champion of the simple minded.

I suppose Palin's master degree in Special Education would help her in that department.

Also, who running for president has any experience running a country? Think about that one.


Congress has always been a clusterfuck, no matter what. The Senate is the only place were anything gets done, and that is also led by the Democrats.

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i think the question mainly comes down not just to how a candidate views the issues. i see it this way: when given the privilege of being in the senior-most position of the US government, a good president will always use his power to make his country great and the world greater. a good president always does what is beyond necessary.

look at all the great presidents and how they've handled foreign conflicts as well as domestic issues. theodore roosevelt with respect to a rising superpower and trustbusting, lincoln and slavery, FDR and capitalism and war, truman and the sovs.

they all went against wave after wave of criticism and opposition. they violated their own country's laws. lincoln violated habeas corpus. FDR violated the right to trial. theodore roosevelt was hated by both dems and republicans. and that's what a good president does. he doesn't care what people say.

most presidents usually go for the safe decisions, which is too bad. but that's the norm...jimmy carter, richard nixon, LBJ, eisenhower (eisenhower was the quintessential everything for every man)

a good president breaks rules and people sometimes want to impeach him later. but it makes for good history and it makes for lots of great accomplishments.

people talk about obama making safe and conservative decisions for his campaign, and mccain making daring decisions for his, like mccain always does.

i know who i'm voting for.

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a good president breaks rules and people sometimes want to impeach him later. but it makes for good history and it makes for lots of great accomplishments.

by this definition George W Bush is greatest president the USA has had in a while...

So instead of voting "safe" and steady future, you want the "I have no fucking idea what will happend, but I bet it will somehow be awsome".

You are confusing people you americans. You realy are icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE (Dohregard @ Sep 7 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what do you think the tax credit was for?




Palin is Governor of Alaska, actually.


Ted Stevens has a very high approval rating, and he is about to go to prison... so I don't think the approval of morons makes you anything more than a champion of the simple minded.

I suppose Palin's master degree in Special Education would help her in that department.

Also, who running for president has any experience running a country? Think about that one.


Congress has always been a clusterfuck, no matter what. The Senate is the only place were anything gets done, and that is also led by the Democrats.


yeah, yeah, Palin is a govenor, easy mistake to make when angrily dropping walls. either way according to most of the idiots out there she's just a mayor from some small town. either way you are %100 right, unles you are running for a second term or an incumbant (lol chaney 08) nobody has the "experience of being president".

so the next best thing is who's got the life experience to do the job.

well if something happened to the president, i'd rather have Palin in charge than this douchebag: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

people like palin, she's a good person, biden is just another typical washington cockmongler. her approval rating means a lot to people who want to elect someone who speaks for thier electorate, not just themselvs.

sorry bro, but palin's got biden beat by a long shot.

i'd rather see her in there than drunk ass joe talking about indians at 7-11: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

lol: http://www.youtube.c...feature=related



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Well, Biden represents about 85% of the population in that he is a closet racist, and about 100% of the population in that he says a bunch of stupid shit when he is drunk.

I would rather see someone who doesn't give a fuck be VP than someone who has so much to hide.

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QUOTE (Dohregard @ Sep 7 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, Biden represents about 85% of the population in that he is a closet racist, and about 100% of the population in that he says a bunch of stupid shit when he is drunk.

I would rather see someone who doesn't give a fuck be VP than someone who has so much to hide.


oh, and what exactly do you think Palin has to hide, or should i say, what has the media led you to believe Palin has to hide?

do you know what the fuck you are talking about here? you might want to do some digging before you rattle off what will no doubt be the false bullshit you've been fed by the obama youth.


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QUOTE (ST1DinOH @ Sep 7 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
oh, and what exactly do you think Palin has to hide, or should i say, what has the media led you to believe Palin has to hide?


Nothing at the moment, other than the whole investigation into the 4500 dollars she received from oil lobbyists....

which could be nothing. Either way, If "someone" mysteriously creates an account on Wikipedia with your Son's name as the SN and makes one giant edit to your Wiki page changing anything negative it has to say to something that looks so patriotic it seems as though Uncle Sam puked the American flag all over it. Then days later you're nominated for VP.... I'd be a little suspicious....


QUOTE (ST1DinOH @ Sep 7 2008, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you know what the fuck you are talking about here? you might want to do some digging before you rattle off what will no doubt be the false bullshit you've been fed by the obama youth.


oh I did, and I found that. And I'm not "sweaped up in the contriversy" as I see it, its her own life and her own decisions, but its still doesn't mean there right.

Even if firing a State Patrolman who beat her sister sounds good on paper, its not a good practice. And I'm not talking about Palin in general, but the Republican party.

Should your job fire you because you smoke pot?

And you're probably thinking "well I don't harm anyone by my illegal action" and to that I say "does that make it any more illegal?"

And to that you'll say "I'm not running for a political office" and to that I say "well, would you think an elected official should do what they law says and not what they feel is necessary?"

P.S. you're in the same boat as anyone who has been following Obama closely. You watched the Republican Convention, so you're mind is just as filled with propaganda as the Democrats.

I was all about this election, then the Bullshit started flying faster than usual, so I broke out by shit umbrella, and that got throw out of my hands, so I went back inside my "I really could care less who wins, as no one will bring about any kind of change" cave sooner than usual.

I'm voting for Obama, though my state will probably go for McCain, so I guess my vote will be a throw away.



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QUOTE (Dohregard @ Sep 7 2008, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
which could be nothing. Either way, If "someone" mysteriously creates an account on Wikipedia with your Son's name as the SN and makes one giant edit to your Wiki page changing anything negative it has to say to something that looks so patriotic it seems as though Uncle Sam puked the American flag all over it. Then days later you're nominated for VP.... I'd be a little suspicious....

jesus. give them a little credit. Why would someone use a name obviously linked to her to edit the page? They'd at least use a random one that has no connection if they were conspiring some how.

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oh I did, and I found that. And I'm not "sweaped up in the contriversy" as I see it, its her own life and her own decisions, but its still doesn't mean there right.

Even if firing a State Patrolman who beat her sister sounds good on paper, its not a good practice. And I'm not talking about Palin in general, but the Republican party.

Should your job fire you because you smoke pot?

yea... firing a state patrolman that beats his wife (regardless of whether or not it was her sister) and firing a burger boy for smoking pot are totally the same thing. He would get fired regardless of relation to her if he beat his wife.
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So no one else shares the concern that she's a crazy bible basher?

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QUOTE (Master C @ Sep 7 2008, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So no one else shares the concern that she's a crazy bible basher?

I could care less what Palin is like...The VP isn't going to do doing shit that the rest of the cabinet doesn't want them to anyway. She's there to get McCain more votes and attention from a larger demographic...nothing else. That's politics.

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QUOTE (anatomy187 @ Sep 8 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I could care less

Then why don't you care less if you could care less?

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