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[dunn_ace]

AHHHHHHHH!

Since when did it fucking matter if a CONSOLE could play a fucking movie!? I, personally, and maybe it's just me, play it for GAMES! Crazy, I know, but seriously, if I want to watch a film I go to my local DVD rental shop and get it. No download, not credit card, just £2 in the till and a DVD for the night. Is that so primitive? Can I use a DVD player and not be one of the Luddites of the 21st century?
And HD DVD and Blu-ray... wtf!? It's only worth having if your house is a cinema. I can quite happily watch The Matrix in standard definition. In fact, I can't really tell the difference unless it is pointed out to me by an over excited Curry's salesman trying to get me to buy his ever growing stock of PS3's he can't shift.

[Rljohn]

AHHHHHHHH!

Since when did it fucking matter if a CONSOLE could play a fucking movie!? I, personally, and maybe it's just me, play it for GAMES! Crazy, I know, but seriously, if I want to watch a film I go to my local DVD rental shop and get it. No download, not credit card, just £2 in the till and a DVD for the night. Is that so primitive? Can I use a DVD player and not be one of the Luddites of the 21st century?
And HD DVD and Blu-ray... wtf!? It's only worth having if your house is a cinema. I can quite happily watch The Matrix in standard definition. In fact, I can't really tell the difference unless it is pointed out to me by an over excited Curry's salesman trying to get me to buy his ever growing stock of PS3's he can't shift.

QFT

(and the 360 is the console that delivers the most great games, Nintendo is the company that delivers the best games -- opinion)

[killer_rabbit79]

If you want a blu-ray player, you may as well buy a PS3 since it's a better value than any other blu-ray player but if you want to play GAMES then get a console with some heavy hitters. Sure, the PS3 has Uncharted and Rachet & Clank but aside from that, nothing else is groundbreaking. I don't care if my 360 plays HDDVD or not cause there's a fucking war going on between HDDVD and blu-ray and I don't want to get involved until either one side wins or something better than both comes in and pwns them both up the ass.

I'm lookin' at you flash memory, I'm lookin' at you.

[Elite-Tek]

Well, i just got an xbox 360, and it owns..

IT OWNS !!!

no fps dough pun intended.

[ElShmiablo]

AHHHHHHHH!

Since when did it fucking matter if a CONSOLE could play a fucking movie!? I, personally, and maybe it's just me, play it for GAMES! Crazy, I know, but seriously, if I want to watch a film I go to my local DVD rental shop and get it. No download, not credit card, just £2 in the till and a DVD for the night. Is that so primitive? Can I use a DVD player and not be one of the Luddites of the 21st century?
And HD DVD and Blu-ray... wtf!? It's only worth having if your house is a cinema. I can quite happily watch The Matrix in standard definition. In fact, I can't really tell the difference unless it is pointed out to me by an over excited Curry's salesman trying to get me to buy his ever growing stock of PS3's he can't shift.

As I've pointed out several times before, the Bluray drive may not be you cup of tea, but it's certainly helping developers.
Kojima is using 50 gigs of space with MGS4, but it still fits on one Bluray. 50 gigs on DVD9 would be around 5-6 discs.
Infinity Ward had to cut content from CoD4 to fit it on a DVD9.
Id's next game, Rage, will be on multiple DVD9's on all platforms, except for PS3, which will only have one Bluray.
Epic said that during development of the PS3 version of UT3 that Bluray gave them a lot of leg room, and that they'd love to fill the Bluray with more content if they do something similar to the Director's Edition they made for 2K4.
So when industry giants like the people I've mentioned are showing that Bluray is needed, I'm inclined to agree.

[Rljohn]

As I've pointed out several times before, the Bluray drive may not be you cup of tea, but it's certainly helping developers.
Kojima is using 50 gigs of space with MGS4, but it still fits on one Bluray. 50 gigs on DVD9 would be around 5-6 discs.
Infinity Ward had to cut content from CoD4 to fit it on a DVD9.
Id's next game, Rage, will be on multiple DVD9's on all platforms, except for PS3, which will only have one Bluray.
Epic said that during development of the PS3 version of UT3 that Bluray gave them a lot of leg room, and that they'd love to fill the Bluray with more content if they do something similar to the Director's Edition they made for 2K4.
So when industry giants like the people I've mentioned are showing that Bluray is needed, I'm inclined to agree.

Whoop-dee-doo, changing discs is a 2 second task...

[ElShmiablo]

Whoop-dee-doo, changing discs is a 2 second task...

And maybe we should have stuck with cartridges for games too.
I just find it silly that one would try to rationalize being technologically inferior as a good thing.

[killer_rabbit79]

And maybe we should have stuck with cartridges for games too.
I just find it silly that one would try to rationalize being technologically inferior as a good thing.

last gen, some games came out on multiple disks and I don't remember thinking "well that's ghey". I actually thought "that game's gonna be epic motherfucker!" so I don't think I'm gonna be whining about multiple disks in the future either.

[Rljohn]

And maybe we should have stuck with cartridges for games too.
I just find it silly that one would try to rationalize being technologically inferior as a good thing.

The Wii and DS both have inferior technology but manage to sell better than the ps3/psp...

Besides, I'm all in favor of inferior solutions that waste 2 seconds of my time and save me 400 bucks on something I don't need.

...Especially with the next-generation formats coming quickly...

[ElShmiablo]

The Wii and DS both have inferior technology but manage to sell better than the ps3/psp...

Besides, I'm all in favor of inferior solutions that waste 2 seconds of my time and save me 400 bucks on something I don't need.

...Especially with the next-generation formats coming quickly...

Should I mention that everytime I talk about console wars, I'm usually talking about 360 vs PS3?
The Wii has superior technology for what it's trying to do (Motion sensing) and does it's own thing.

And you may have noticed that I don't really give a shit if you think you don't need it. If the developers of some of the biggest games in the industry show that it's needed, I'm all for it. I don't really give a shit if some noob on a forum doesn't mind changing out 13 discs so he can finally get through the opening of Metal Gear Solid 4.

[TubularLuggage]

AHHHHHHHH!

Since when did it fucking matter if a CONSOLE could play a fucking movie!? I, personally, and maybe it's just me, play it for GAMES! Crazy, I know, but seriously, if I want to watch a film I go to my local DVD rental shop and get it. No download, not credit card, just £2 in the till and a DVD for the night. Is that so primitive? Can I use a DVD player and not be one of the Luddites of the 21st century?
And HD DVD and Blu-ray... wtf!? It's only worth having if your house is a cinema. I can quite happily watch The Matrix in standard definition. In fact, I can't really tell the difference unless it is pointed out to me by an over excited Curry's salesman trying to get me to buy his ever growing stock of PS3's he can't shift.

Well admittedly, this kind of turned into a format war for the last page or so.
I'm in no way saying consoles need to be able to play movies. I'm just saying that the format war will have a bearing on the console war. Especially since next generation, they'll all be using a new optical disc of some format that's not DVD.

And maybe we should have stuck with cartridges for games too.
I just find it silly that one would try to rationalize being technologically inferior as a good thing.

Well BluRay is insanely expensive compared to DVD. It's definitely the main reason the PS3 cost about $950 to make when it launched. The 360 offering an add-on instead offers two advantages. It's an optional cost, so it won't prohibit people who don't want to pay for it from getting the actual system. Also, if the format they chose loses, they can just make an add-on for the other format.
As for storage for games, it's not really that necessary this time around. Next generation maybe, but I have a feeling neither HD-DVD or BluRay will be used then anyway.

[Rljohn]

really give a shit if some noob on a forum doesn't mind changing out 13 discs so he can finally get through the opening of Metal Gear Solid 4.

o.O

Touchy much?

[dunn_ace]

If I'm not mistaken, Blu-Ray is much harder to develop for. That's partially why Orange box was delayed. The director of God of War says the PS3 and 360 games cost a fortune to make. (sauce: http://gonintendo.com/?p=33294)

[ElShmiablo]

If I'm not mistaken, Blu-Ray is much harder to develop for. That's partially why Orange box was delayed. The director of God of War says the PS3 and 360 games cost a fortune to make. (sauce: http://gonintendo.com/?p=33294)

Orange Box was delayed because Valve was lazy and handed the job over to EA, which is why the port ended up being very sloppy.
If Infinity Ward, Epic, Id, Konami, Capcom, Critereon, and other studios have no problems developing for it (Some even preferring it) then the only people making sloppy ports right now are just too lazy.

[iTerrorist]

Valve aren't lazy, they just didn't want to waste time with the development problems that Sony created.

[ElShmiablo]

Valve aren't lazy, they just didn't want to waste time with the development problems that Sony created.

So how come every other developer out there are having little to no problems developing for it? I just think it's kind of silly to say this is Sony's fault that Valve was too lazy to do a decent port of a 4 year old game, when Epic, Infinity Ward, and a lot of other people release far more graphically intensive/impressive games, and they run completely fine, no hitches whatsoever.
Really, it just boils down to Valve being lazy, and EA being poor programmers/lazy as well.

[Richard.]

So far I have used it more as a dvd/blu-ray player than a game console. Games are expensive.

[eedok]

If I'm not mistaken, Blu-Ray is much harder to develop for. That's partially why Orange box was delayed. The director of God of War says the PS3 and 360 games cost a fortune to make. (sauce: http://gonintendo.com/?p=33294)

The Cell is harder to develop for, not Blu Ray. The problem is that the average programmer can't do concurrent programming(most will choke when trying to do anything in Haskell, mostly because most people in the industry are so ingrained with C/C++ that they can't do shit when pulled outside of the language), so most of the Cell ends up going unused. I know that Naughty Dog built an engine capable of scaling across processors, and that Insomniac licenses it, and that the Unreal 3 engine does multiple cores rather well, but other than that I'm not sure about, and it's a good possibility there's unused SPE's in most PS3 games.

[Infernoblaze]

I don't really give a shit if some noob on a forum doesn't mind changing out 13 discs so he can finally get through the opening of Metal Gear Solid 4.

I'd just like to point out the fact that no game needs to take up 50GB of space, it's ridiculous, it's just developers being lazy and not compacting them at all to save space, most new games could easily take up less space if devs could be bothered.

[ElShmiablo]

o.O

Touchy much?

Well it's natural to be aggravated when somebody doesn't get the point.
When the people who literally invented the FPS genre are saying "Hey, this shit comes in handy", I'm down. When the people who invented the stealth action genre would need to put their next game on 6 DVD9's, I'm down.
So until I see Doom, Quake, Unreal, Metal Gear Solid, Burnout, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, Call of Duty and Gears of War on YOUR resume, I'll just continue to laugh at your foolishness.

I'd just like to point out the fact that no game needs to take up 50GB of space, it's ridiculous, it's just developers being lazy and not compacting them at all to save space, most new games could easily take up less space if devs could be bothered.

To be honest, that just isn't the case anymore. The Tech 5 engine uses 20 gigs for textures alone, and the benefits are obvious. Hell, there are already games on the 360 that span across multiple DVDs.