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Started by Master C , Jan 25 2007 09:40 AM

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Posted 17 February 2007 - 05:43 PM

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QUOTE (way2lazy2care @ Feb 17 2007, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I understood what you meant icon_biggrin.gif... I'm special icon_smile.gif...

but anyway, the argument that whether or not something is sentient or not shouldn't even matter... from the moment of conception the embryo is alive, not something with potential to be alive, it is alive PERIOD. It is alive, and it is human, that makes it... A HUMAN LIFE!!!! omfg...

It may be alive but what makes it human?
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Posted 17 February 2007 - 05:46 PM

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QUOTE (way2lazy2care @ Feb 17 2007, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but anyway, the argument that whether or not something is sentient or not shouldn't even matter... from the moment of conception the embryo is alive, not something with potential to be alive, it is alive PERIOD. It is alive, and it is human, that makes it... A HUMAN LIFE!!!! omfg...

Sperm & eggs are alive. Do you cry foul when a woman menstruates?
And if you say an embryo is human because it has potential to become human, then so do eggs & sperm.
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QUOTE (Gillz @ Jan 26 2008, 06:29 PM) View Post
Last time I checked, you didn't have the right to tell me what to do?

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 09:43 AM

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QUOTE (Sikotik @ Feb 17 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sperm & eggs are alive. Do you cry foul when a woman menstruates?
And if you say an embryo is human because it has potential to become human, then so do eggs & sperm.

No, but a woman does. Sometimes. Some women.
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:35 PM

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QUOTE (ya_ba @ Feb 18 2007, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, but a woman does. Sometimes. Some women.

ROFL. That made my day Yael. Thanks. =)
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Last time I checked, you didn't have the right to tell me what to do?

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:39 PM

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QUOTE (Sikotik @ Feb 18 2007, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ROFL. That made my day Yael. Thanks. =)

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:43 PM

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i think its wrong because ur killing a life and if u dnt want the baby give it up for adoption or something

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:52 PM

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QUOTE (Sikotik @ Feb 17 2007, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sperm & eggs are alive. Do you cry foul when a woman menstruates?
And if you say an embryo is human because it has potential to become human, then so do eggs & sperm.


Yeah, but they are just another part of you until they join together to form a unique human being, with its own unique DNA.

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 01:56 PM

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QUOTE (TBF Eugene @ Feb 18 2007, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think its wrong because ur killing a life and if u dnt want the baby give it up for adoption or something

Well, basing on the fact that you told a guy that he should persuade his gf to have sex with him even though she clearly doesn't want to, I'm sure that you'll be the a guy who'll actually have to make the decision, so I'll respect every word that comes out of your mouth from now on in this thread. -Thanks.
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 09:42 PM

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QUOTE (Sikotik @ Feb 17 2007, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sperm & eggs are alive. Do you cry foul when a woman menstruates?
And if you say an embryo is human because it has potential to become human, then so do eggs & sperm.

actually they're not...
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an embryo isn't human because it has potential to become human... it's human because it IS human...
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Posted 18 February 2007 - 10:52 PM

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QUOTE (way2lazy2care @ Feb 18 2007, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
actually they're not...
life

an embryo isn't human because it has potential to become human... it's human because it IS human...



So just because it's technically human it should be spared?

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 11:18 PM

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QUOTE (Pawnator @ Feb 19 2007, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So just because it's technically human it should be spared?


I suppose Americans are also technically human, should they be spared too?

[please note incredible amounts of sarcasm in the above sentence.]

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Posted 18 February 2007 - 11:27 PM

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QUOTE (Hrugnir @ Feb 18 2007, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suppose Americans are also technically human, should they be spared too?

[please note incredible amounts of sarcasm in the above sentence.]


Well, that's a whole different debate. pp_smiley4.gif I think that the whole ethical aspect of abortion should be left up to the individual making the choice, not the gov't.

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 02:36 AM

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QUOTE (Pawnator @ Feb 19 2007, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, that's a whole different debate. pp_smiley4.gif I think that the whole ethical aspect of abortion should be left up to the individual making the choice, not the gov't.

so if I wanted to kill you, the government shouldn't be allowed to intercede or punish me?
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Posted 19 February 2007 - 02:40 AM

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QUOTE (way2lazy2care @ Feb 18 2007, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
so if I wanted to kill you, the government shouldn't be allowed to intercede or punish me?


Well, I'm afraid that the government cares more about us darn sentients than it does for souless piles of flesh. icon_biggrin.gif

oh, and fuck punishment!

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Posted 19 February 2007 - 10:50 AM

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QUOTE (Pawnator @ Feb 19 2007, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I'm afraid that the government cares more about us darn sentients than it does for souless piles of flesh. icon_biggrin.gif

oh, and fuck punishment!


Ooooh, now you did it! You started mentioning "souls". This makes it all much easier - Where in the Bible or whatever your source is for this esoteric knowledge, does it state exactly at what moment the soul is infused into the body?

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QUOTE (Hrugnir @ Feb 19 2007, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ooooh, now you did it! You started mentioning "souls". This makes it all much easier - Where in the Bible or whatever your source is for this esoteric knowledge, does it state exactly at what moment the soul is infused into the body?

If you tell me where it is, I'd tell you in what month of pregnancy it is evolved. *nods*
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Hrugnir, you and Yael gotta get makin the babies so we can finally answer this whole thing. We'll study it.
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QUOTE (Pawnator @ Feb 19 2007, 03:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I'm afraid that the government cares more about us darn sentients than it does for souless piles of flesh. icon_biggrin.gif

oh, and fuck punishment!

if it cared more about sentients then this wouldn't be a political issue...
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QUOTE (Sikotik @ Feb 19 2007, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hrugnir, you and Yael gotta get makin the babies so we can finally answer this whole thing. We'll study it.


Lol, I'm pretty sure that's not what she meant ;P

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QUOTE (Hrugnir @ Feb 19 2007, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ooooh, now you did it! You started mentioning "souls". This makes it all much easier - Where in the Bible or whatever your source is for this esoteric knowledge, does it state exactly at what moment the soul is infused into the body?


And there is the problem, right there. We don't know if there is a biological basis of conciousness, but we can determine when conciousness isn't there by looking at how underdeveloped the brain is. We know that the brain needs some level of sophistication before it becomes concious, and when the sophistication of the brain is that of a cricket, well...

I'm just trying to see both sides of the arguement, here.

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