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[Shaun.]

Okay wow...
Melonqueen...
Girl you stole the words right out of my mouth...
Seriously...
Gj...

Mevado man... Good stuff...
A gay raver?
Damn...
I'm starting to wish I met you before I met my girlfriend...
heh heh... P.L.U.R.

But yeah... Church and State MUST be SEPERATE...
Allow same sex marriages to occur just not in a church, where God is present. A legal marriage contract should be allowed everywhere. It's our choice so let us do what we want to. If I wanna bend over, I WILL.

Oh and if anyone wants to go all Christian on me, I got LOTS to say...

I think gay marriage is allowed in the Netherlands too. I've heard about lots of homosexual couples from Australia flying over to Canada just to get married.

And like how me and a few others mentioned, if gay 'marriage' isn't going to happen then at least a civil union is in order. Are gay de facto marriages even recognised?

[evol262]

No, same sex civil unions/commonlaw marriages are not recognized most places.

[Eagleeye]

Here's my take on sexuality in general.
You shouldnt worry about who someone has sex with unless you want to have sex with them.

Not only do I completely agree with you, I'm going to vote for you for wisest if your nominated.

As far as gay marriage (and we should make a second topic for this) my thoughts are this. Regular marriagealready pisses on th e sanctity of marriage. So many people get divouced or marry for money its stupid. Let the gays marry is it really going to matter?

[The_Zooloo_Master]

K, to make it plain: I think that Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
Actually, it's to do with a lack of instinct in the human race, thus resulting in an increased vulnerability to influence. I personally believe that being gay is to do 90% with an influenced childhood, and 10% with lack of common sense.

[WildChild]

K, to make it plain: I think that Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
Actually, it's to do with a lack of instinct in the human race, thus resulting in an increased vulnerability to influence. I personally believe that being gay is to do 90% with an influenced childhood, and 10% with lack of common sense.

Dont you mean, 100% lack of commen sense?

[The_Zooloo_Master]

Dont you mean, 100% lack of commen sense?

No, the first part of my post was a joke; I think influence from others causes homosexuality to a higher degree than stupidity does.

[pra]

i think, "technically" homosexuality is a mental disorder. it's a malfunction of the sexual drive, just like pedophilia etc.
But, contrary to pedophilia, they "do it" with their own kind, so i think it's no problem at all just to let them do it.

I have read an article about pedophilia some time ago, and there they said, the sexual orientation (is this the right word?) is determined at the end of puberty.
But i also heard of a gene that makes you more fertile if you are a woman, but rises your chance of becoming gay if you are a man...

[MCClammer]

i think, "technically" homosexuality is a mental disorder. it's a malfunction of the sexual drive, just like pedophilia etc.
But, contrary to pedophilia, they "do it" with their own kind, so i think it's no problem at all just to let them do it.

I have read an article about pedophilia some time ago, and there they said, the sexual orientation (is this the right word?) is determined at the end of puberty.
But i also heard of a gene that makes you more fertile if you are a woman, but rises your chance of becoming gay if you are a man...

Technically you would have to define, disorder, and what is a mind in order before you can go insult a group of people.

Really being gay could be many things. I think it is an imbalance of horomones. Kind of like a man in a woman's body, but the man likes being in the woman's body. I can't say for sure though, because there haven't been any conclusive studies about this subject. Most have an agenda with no double blind. And even if it is a mental disorder we shouldn't persecute them for having that mental disorder.

[tChr]

Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder (which it is) until the whole politically-correct crap started.

As for same-sex marriage:
Marriage as a ritual was started as a religious bond between a man and a woman, and strictly prohibited two people of the same sex from marrying. In my opinion, everyone who is not religious shouldn't have the right to get married at all. Marriage is a Christian ritual, not a profane one like filing an insurance claim.

[MCClammer]

But marriage has become something sponsored by the state, and in America there is separation of church and state which means it has nonreligious properties now. Homosexuality was unclassified as a mental disorder in the 70s(once we learned that it wasn't). As far as I'm concerned churches have the right to choose who they marry, the government, however should marry gays. And by your definition the state doesn't marry, so really you shouldn't have a problem with the state allowing gays and nonreligious people "love bonding."

[TracyTheFreak]

K, to make it plain: I think that Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
Actually, it's to do with a lack of instinct in the human race, thus resulting in an increased vulnerability to influence. I personally believe that being gay is to do 90% with an influenced childhood, and 10% with lack of common sense.

My gay friend thinks your hot.

Jk.


I don't think it's anyone elses business as to what goes on in any one else's house hold. Even if they gay couples can't get married, they'll still be living the same life but without the marital status. Also, maybe not both of the members of the couple can adopt, but one can, and they can both still raise a child together. So what's the point in just keeping them from getting married? There isn't one.

[tChr]

But marriage has become something sponsored by the state, and in America there is separation of church and state which means it has nonreligious properties now. Homosexuality was unclassified as a mental disorder in the 70s(once we learned that it wasn't). As far as I'm concerned churches have the right to choose who they marry, the government, however should marry gays. And by your definition the state doesn't marry, so really you shouldn't have a problem with the state allowing gays and nonreligious people "love bonding."

Yes, but the problem is, the state DOES marry, and they pretty much stole that ritual from Christianity and turned it into something it's not. Allowing gays to marry anywhere is just plain wrong.

[Shaun.]

Yes, but the problem is, the state DOES marry, and they pretty much stole that ritual from Christianity and turned it into something it's not. Allowing gays to marry anywhere is just plain wrong.

The state's term for marriage is "civil union". I've probably said this at least 3 times in the thread - if gays aren't accepted by the church then they should at least have civil unions. These unions should be recognised by the state so that they do have the same rights as other heterosexual couples do. People need to be more progressive in their thinking. There are legal benefits when you get married so gays shouldn't be excluded from having those rights. Though generally at the moment, couples bound by civil unions don't get as much benefits as married couples do. Something should be done to balance the scale...

[fercer]

im a catholic so i would have to say homosexuality is a no no

[keithdchatt]

I use the word gay probably way too often. I think nothing of it, I've been doing it since grade 4.

But hey..I have NOTHING against homosexuality, whatever floats your boat, live YOUR life how YOU want to, not what other assholes think.

[Captain_red]

Can I please hear some reasons why the world will be a worse off if the gays marry?

I keep hearing stuff about the marriage being a religious ceremony, that it's wrong, gays are getting special treatment, but I haven't heard anybody answer that question yet.

So tell me, Why, as a striate white man who works in a hardware store and lives in a suburb of Australia will myself, or any one I know, even be affected, let alone worse off if my contrary suddenly allows two men or two women get married?

[*SaPpHiRe*]

why do people make such a big fuss.. Can't we just let people be who they want to be? Like seriously... It's as stupid as saying that chinease people can't marry africans , or tall people can't marry short people. People's intolerance to differences IS the problem, not them.

They're not there to hurt anybody, nor does it change the fact that it's their life and they can live it however they want. Just because they can't marry, doesn't mean the numbers of homosexuals will decrease. So why not? They don't run around screaming that they're the anti-christ, so why should christians be so "hating" towards them. Just because they don't share the same faith, it won't make your lives any worst. It's as silly as accusing a Hindu of being "wrong" for what he beleives.

And treating them of being mentally disordered is hypocrite in my opinion. The reason being is that nobody's freakin perfect, yet they point fingers towards others. Everybody's got some kind of mental disorder in ways. If not , we'd never have wars, fights, querrels, pain , suffering, discrimination, racism, lies, violence ect. Humans are the most imperfect beings, so don't go around accusing people for their differences to try to prove who;s right or wrong. Looking outside the box never hurt anyone, unless they just don't wanna face reality. Cowardness in other words.

[tIb]

I don't see what the debate is. Of course they should be allowed to marry. It's ridiculous to say they can't. It does no one any harm, but it does the couple a great deal of good, both emotionally and financially. Being gay has always been relatively normal, why should that stop now. The Spartans used to buttsecks each other before battle, all perfectly normal. Religious institutions should stop preaching hate and learn to accept people that are different.

I have to disagree with Sapphire though; tall people should not be allowed to marry short people, think of the complications in the marriage bed.

[TBird]

K, to make it plain: I think that Homosexuality is a mental disorder.
Actually, it's to do with a lack of instinct in the human race, thus resulting in an increased vulnerability to influence. I personally believe that being gay is to do 90% with an influenced childhood, and 10% with lack of common sense.

You know that there are genes in your DNA that you get FROM BIRTH that partially influence your sexuality right?

While yes the gay sexuality does not have any other purpose than pleasure... it doesnt matter... if homosexuals want to do it they can go right ahead and do it

HOWERVER, as usual, that doesnt mean that you cant think that it is disgusting or stupid

Those are my thoughts,
L8r,
-TBird

[TubularLuggage]

I'm VERY uncomfortable with homosexuality, and consider it a mental disorder.
That being said, I also enjoy living in a free society.
That being said, as long as a gay person doesn't make a big deal about their sexuality, I don't treat them differently than I would anyone else. It's just not something I need to know about them. Gay people can contribute to society just fine, but need to understand that there are still people genuinely uncomfortable with the idea. It's not always the person's fault either.

I've been violently attacked (not physically) in real life for being a homophobe. What these tards don't get when they're telling me to stop being a bigot it the sheer irony. They're telling me not to have a problem with one personality trait of others (though I don't pick on gays, I'm just uncomfortable being around them), but that's exactly what they're doing with me. It's just a different trait. Also, I didn't choose to be homophobic. I just am.

Summary: If you're gay, don't be obnoxious about it, and I'll have no problem with you.


I also strongly believe in seperation of Church and State (mainly when it comes to politics, but this counts too). I'm not against same sex marriage for religious reasons. I'm against it because it simply isn't the same thing. Here's a really shitty, weakass analogy.
If you mix rum and coke, it becomes a new drink. If you mix two shots of rum or two glasses of coke, they don't become something new.
Weak, but it's hard to explain exactly what I mean.