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[destroyer56]

I say homosexuality would be okay if gays didn't always make a big deal about themselves. All the gay pride parades and stuff is retarded as hell. You don't see any straight pride parades or anything, so stop acting like you are amazing people. Same goes for other things like the black history month crap. A whole month is all about blacks, whites, indians, asians, middle easterns, american-indians and ect. don't get their own month for celebration, and I am sure if there was a white history month it would be labeled as racist. So until people stop saying to stop discriminating whilst discriminating and not knowing it, then they should STFU and GTFO. Enough of this bullshit parades and shit, if you want to be treated the same then cut the bullshit.

[Karko]

Gay marriage I will disagree with for the same reasons TBird stated above

Gay couples are fine whatever floats your boat I say and as long as you dont try to stick anything up my pooper im cool with it

But the voice.. that lisp that some people put on.. I cant stand that. if you're gay thats great for you but do you really have to put on that god awful voice.. sometimes I think people who do that arent actually gay and are only putting it on in some lame attempt to cover their insecurities about their life style whether this is the case or not I have no idea

[TheFallxOfTroy]

I say homosexuality would be okay if gays didn't always make a big deal about themselves. All the gay pride parades and stuff is retarded as hell. You don't see any straight pride parades or anything, so stop acting like you are amazing people. Same goes for other things like the black history month crap. A whole month is all about blacks, whites, indians, asians, middle easterns, american-indians and ect. don't get their own month for celebration, and I am sure if there was a white history month it would be labeled as racist. So until people stop saying to stop discriminating whilst discriminating and not knowing it, then they should STFU and GTFO. Enough of this bullshit parades and shit, if you want to be treated the same then cut the bullshit.

Except white people have been allowed to spread and flaunt their culture for centuries, while other cultures have been assimilated by the same European imperialism. We don't really NEED a White history month, because well, if you live in a western country, you're living it really every day.

Also, don't go around telling people to "STFU and GTFO" if their views are different than yours, please.

[i_killed_kenny]

I absolutely support gay marriage. I think the main issue isn't about gay marriage, it's about discrimination. In Houston, for instance, it is perfectly legal to fire somebody for being gay. I believe Gay Marriage should be granted because everyone should have rights regardless of their race, sexual preference, etc. It isn't so much that they aren't able to express love, its that they have restricted rights, for reason of sexual preference. Each person should have the same amount of rights granted by the government as everyone else. If marriage is banned across the board, great, just ban it for everyone.

[Tw!sT3d Sn!p3r]

I absolutely support gay marriage. I think the main issue isn't about gay marriage, it's about discrimination. In Houston, for instance, it is perfectly legal to fire somebody for being gay. I believe Gay Marriage should be granted because everyone should have rights regardless of their race, sexual preference, etc. It isn't so much that they aren't able to express love, its that they have restricted rights, for reason of sexual preference. Each person should have the same amount of rights granted by the government as everyone else. If marriage is banned across the board, great, just ban it for everyone.

" I believe Gay Marriage should be granted because everyone should have rights regardless of their race, sexual preference, etc. " --- I see your point well drawn.

"It isn't so much that they aren't able to express love, its that they have restricted rights, for reason of sexual preference. " --- I dont know very many, besides they cant be in the Armed Forces. List some for a stronger debate.

"If marriage is banned across the board, great, just ban it for everyone." This is where the contraversy starts. Thats not the slightest bit true. For the fact that marriage has been around for thousands of years... But it was a cerimony of the bondage, of male and female. This was a step of comitment, and the next step is usually kids. Considering they cant really have anything but adopted kids, I dont see the point in allowing this.

The whole thing is you are in the end pretty much right. They all need the same rights, and thats the only reason I think they should be maired because we are all equals. Gays are not inferior they are simply a diferent choice maker. Im still not 100% sure where I stand in marriage of same sex right at this moment...

[ya_ba]

There's this guy, who is like a brother to me, and I think he's gay (he didn't come out, but I'm pretty sure he's gay), and all I ever did was telling him that I'd love him even if he become a nun (or a monk, which is more likely, Gender cause ).
So yeah, it might be hard for some people to understand the homosexuality thing, and they think it's unnatural, but at the end of the day, if you love someone to death, you wouldn't care if he likes girls/boys. (Love as in brotherly love)

[h0micide]

Homosexuality reminds me of gay.

J/k. I don't have any problems with homosexuals as long as they don't talk like uber queer or make out in public. Not that I'll say they have to stop, but I just don't like 2 men making out.

Gay marriage is fine with me as well. Must be my liberal roots.

[destroyer56]

Except white people have been allowed to spread and flaunt their culture for centuries, while other cultures have been assimilated by the same European imperialism. We don't really NEED a White history month, because well, if you live in a western country, you're living it really every day.

Also, don't go around telling people to "STFU and GTFO" if their views are different than yours, please.

Well the thing is, everyone is asking to be equal, but at the same time they want a black history month/ gay pride parade. If you want to be treated normally, act normally. That doesn't mean to act straight or anything, just don't jump at people like "I AM GAY AND PROUD!" Also like someone said before in this thread, the different people will use their differences to get themselves out of trouble from the cops and other people. People are afraid of firing gay people because of lawsuits that may come. Like if someone fires a gay person, the gay person could say they were being fired for being gay (even though the reason is probably totally different) so then the company gets sued and loses money and crap. If you don't want it to be a big deal that you are different then stop making it a big deal is all I am trying to say.

[Dr.Toker]

Here's my take on sexuality in general.


You shouldnt worry about who someone has sex with unless you want to have sex with them.

[Vengeance]

Now then, I'm asking you guys to judge me, because I don't know if I'm homophobic or not...

I'm only mildly uncomfortable with gay people, when they are talking about being gay. I'm extremely uncomfortable if I walk past two gay guys kissing on the street, and the idea of gay sex actually makes me want to retch/vomit. Not in a horrible, way, that's just the truth. I don't hate gay people, but homosexuality is something that scares me and deeply disturbs me. I'm also against gay marriage, for this plus another set of reasons (see religion topic )Am I homophobic? I sure as hell don't know...

[Afterburner]

I believe that selfish, self-focused living of any kind is certainly corrosive to society. Freedom does not mean license, it means the right to look after your own affairs and rise or fall by your own efforts or lack thereof, not a governmental responsibility to give sanction to licentious lifestyles. Both gay and straight people can be careless and self-focused, and both contribute to a slackening of the quality of a society. People like bigstick61, I believe, are of the opinion that homosexual lifestyle is in and of itself licentious because it denies the basic procreative nature of sexual activity. It is inherently selfish, and therefore is corrosive to social strength.

Following this line of thinking, allowing gay marriage would amount to state sanction of a lifestyle that contributes to social breakdown, a contradiction if there ever was one.

My personal views are a bit more nuanced. I think the jury is out on whether homosexuality is nature or choice, but regardless which it is, the person who chooses to engage in homosexual activity does in fact sidestep the natural reason for sex and goes beyond to an act outside of nature. This can hardly be questioned.

Now the important point comes in. If you believe there is a creator, and that this creator made nature in a certain way and expects its creatures to live according to its rules, homosexual acts go against the directives of the creator. This is the Catholic view (among other religions). If you believe there is no creator, or you believe in a god that either does not care or has no problem with homosexual acts, then whatever a human wishes to do, they may do.

I think it is clear that religion largely prohibits homosexuality, and therefore would deny gay "marriage", but as a matter of public policy, particularly in a society based on secular law, I don't see how it can be avoided without resorting to religious arguments. Unless you use a religious standard, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that homosexual unions cannnot be acknowledged, which of course is why a gay "marriage" amendment is being pursued.

In summary, my opinion is that the states should decide for themselves what constitutes a marriage. Most of the states will choose the standard of a man and a woman as evidenced by the state ballot initiatives recently. New York, Massachusettes, California, etc. will vote it in if they must, but to force the entire United States to accept gay marriage is tyrannical IMO. I fully agree with social conservatives that this is a very important issue as it intersects with a judiciary attempting to create policy, which is not their intended function.

[elliotter]

I don't really see a problem with gay marriage. They can do what they want

[*SaPpHiRe*]

it is true that the whole "cry for acceptance" via the gay pride parades is overdoing it. I guess though that from their point of view, homosexuals have always been struggling for acceptance in society for their choices. At our time and day, there is a much more liberal population and it makes them able to "come out of the closet" if I dare say and be public about it. Finally able to express themselves openly. I honestly don't know what to think of the parades because, I from one point understand how they've overcome a struggle and are proud to be who they are, but at the same time I find it too ... extravagant? It's a bit excessive... it almost looks like the cirque du soleil is going down the street... what does that have to do with sexual liberation?

Another point that I've forgotten to mention... I've always wondered how men can say that they're totally homophobes, yet they love lesbian porn... Just a thought...

[StrykerGamer]

And as to "gay marriage" I think that countries should give out "marriages" because "marriage" is a Christian term and is defined in the Bible.... Seperation of Church and state THEREFORE no "marriages" the state should be allowed to give "civil unions" NOT "marriages". The Christian church should regulate "marriages".

Jews don't get married? What? XD

[MCClammer]

The real benefit and reason why gays have gay pride parade is because they are persecuted for who they hare, and if they don't show closeted homosexuals or non proud gays its fine, then there will be a lot of problems in the closeted lives. It is a small community, they are persecuted, they need to stick together for strength. And the times have changed making it a *little* easier for them to come out, but they still have to think a lot about who to tell and when. And they have to face losing their parents support. Just because we have made progress does not mean that there is no discrimination or adversity.

[Luther_Vespers]

Why shouldn't homosexuals have the same rights everyone else does?

We are such fucking hypocrites to educate youth on how terrible the Holocaust and Racism and Religious Persecution is when we're exercising it at the same time with laws that prevent homosexuals from having the same rights everyone else does.

Everyone has their own values. Just because one person's are based word for word from the bible, does not mean they should infringe their beliefs on other people.

In my opinion, one of the requisites of a law is that it has to be just (seeing how our JUSTICE system is creating them). Preventing a certain group of people from being equal to everyone else is despicable.

[Tw!sT3d Sn!p3r]

Why shouldn't homosexuals have the same rights everyone else does?

We are such fucking hypocrites to educate youth on how terrible the Holocaust and Racism and Religious Persecution is when we're exercising it at the same time with laws that prevent homosexuals from having the same rights everyone else does.

Everyone has their own values. Just because one person's are based word for word from the bible, does not mean they should infringe their beliefs on other people.

In my opinion, one of the requisites of a law is that it has to be just (seeing how our JUSTICE system is creating them). Preventing a certain group of people from being equal to everyone else is despicable.

Meh. Your input is flawed and your 100% biased. PHAIL. But I repsect you for a big wise post. We educate our youth with such things because if we do not they will surely be forgoten, which no one would like. Its not hypocritic because its to a totaly diferent extent in which those horrible events occured. Do you see Bush killing all gays because of their beleifs? No.

Everyone has their own values. Just because one person's are based word for word from the bible, does not mean they should infringe their beliefs on other people. It does and its one of the may things of life. Travel in groups and none shall conquer you. The more that think like you the harder it is to take you down.

In my opinion, one of the requisites of a law is that it has to be just (seeing how our JUSTICE system is creating them). Preventing a certain group of people from being equal to everyone else is despicable. Go deeper.

[Pawnator]

Meh. Your input is flawed and your 100% biased. PHAIL. But I repsect you for a big wise post. We educate our youth with such things because if we do not they will surely be forgoten, which no one would like. Its not hypocritic because its to a totaly diferent extent in which those horrible events occured. Do you see Bush killing all gays because of their beleifs? No.

Everyone has their own values. Just because one person's are based word for word from the bible, does not mean they should infringe their beliefs on other people. It does and its one of the may things of life. Travel in groups and none shall conquer you. The more that think like you the harder it is to take you down.

In my opinion, one of the requisites of a law is that it has to be just (seeing how our JUSTICE system is creating them). Preventing a certain group of people from being equal to everyone else is despicable. Go deeper.

Twisted, Luther is totally correct. Except for his use of the word "infringe" which is just atrocious. Anyway I think that stupid pseudo intellectual comments like "go deeper" are almost flame-ish. He doesn't need to go deeper, he's at the bedrock- they are not being treated equally.

Our treatment of gays in regards to laws will be looked on by future generations as the segregation of African Americans appears to us. Whether or not you want it to, it will.

to force the entire United States to accept gay marriage is tyrannical IMO.

Err, why? Why should individual states get to decide? I see no benefit. Gays are a minority, so why should the majority stop them from doing something that won't harm society in any way. Also, you're arguing that homosexuality is unnatural; human population growth is natural, that of a species doomed to die. If you want to argue that marriage between a man and a woman is just because it can produce offspring, then you're disregarding overpopulation.

[Tw!sT3d Sn!p3r]

Anyway I think that stupid pseudo intellectual comments like "go deeper" are almost flame-ish.

Are you fucking retarded? I totaly respeced his post besides the fact he didnt take both sides into consideration. By go deeper I ment more detail... I didnt have enough of what he said to reply to that in which he did. Seriously how did you pull that out? This is debate, not take sides and kick the shit out of eachother.

Unacceptable. No personal attacks please. Suspended. -Ximensions

[Brenner]

In regards to the argument about the government outlawing gay marriage being "tyrannical:"
Unless the legislature passes an amendment to the Constitution saying "marriage is defined as a union between a male and female," the government cannot do this (outlaw gay marriage). Under Amendment X to the Constitution, the states must individually handle all issues not specifically set forth in the Constitution. Since gay marriage isn't in the Constitution, the states have to handle it. This would be in no way tyrannical. If the legislature DID however pass an amendment regarding gay marriage, which I doubt it will do considering at the moment the democrats (pro-gay-marriage) control the Congress, this wouldn't be tyrannical either. You (hopefully) voted these people into office - they're representing you; or at least they're representing the majority.

On Topic : I don't mind gay marriage at all. Let people do whatever they want with their personal lives, as long as it doesn't encroach on anyone else's personal rights. Idk the specifics of how this could effect the economy (gays becoming legally married would effect tax brackets, etc...), I don't see anything wrong with it. However, I do have a problem when they demand equality in one area, but special treatment in another. When I see Gay Pride Parades on the news or w/e, I can't help but think they just want a reaction. Hell, if I went and organized a White Pride Parade, who knows what kind of names I would be called. I myself do get uncomfortable when I see a gay couple kissing in public or something like that, but that's just me - not really important to the justice of things.