How is it easily answered by the free will argument? Why do we hate gays women and blacks? Because we have free will? Ya that makes perfect sense.
Because religions don't advertise eternal happiness for 9.95 doesn't change what I said. You can argue against that but the catholic church is the biggest business in the world, face the facts kid, THE HAVE THE BEST BUSINESS MODEL FOR GETTING MONEY. And what about taoism? Stop asking me vague questions, make a point.
If anything, I would say natural selection is more random than the process of mutation. See; Chaos theory.
EDIT: I thought I would expand on this a little. Atomically we are made of some various organic compounds (carbon, oxygen, nitrogen ect ect) and with enough computational power we could predict exactly how these compounds will react within an organism. However when you put the organism in an environment, things become unpredictable.
Actually, the theory of evolution depends upon the lack of any drive or purpose, the second you say what you just said is the second you have no understanding of the theory of evolution and instead, believe in intelligent design.
The why is very simple, chaos theory. If you have enough chaos eventually you see ordered patterns. Anyway, my neurology isn't great but isn't the purpose of the schwann cell to insulate the axon by wrapping itself into myelin? It couldn't accomplish this feat unless it had its large flat surface area.
Your understanding of evolution is very "I read a biology text book and can repeat what it said". My advice is to try and gain the understanding of evolution that darwin intended. These days the popular way to do is its to read dawkins.
Certainly if you believe everything was or is currently in a state of chaos, then this line of thinking makes sense. What about the universe itself though? It wasn't just a large collection of chaos that a natural orbiting pattern of all celestial bodies was observed. This process is a stable pattern that can be found at any level of the universe. Even when let's say two celestial bodies collide and create an non-orbital trajectory of debris, it is only a temporary one. Eventually that debris will fall into a stable orbital pattern as well. This is of course due to magnetism. For that matter, how is it that a blackhole, whose sole existence is to pull matter within and destroy it keeps a galaxy such as ours anchored to allow stable orbits of other planets? What does chaos theory say about that?
I'm sure there is a good explanation to these questions of course. As far as chaos theory being that explanation? I'm not so keen on making that declaration. It would seem to me that if everything in creation was in a state of chaos at all times, that no order could be observed. We all know the universe is in a constant state of expansion. No arguing that. But if there was nothing to off-set that, a galaxy would not be able to sustain itself for long. The truth is, it is because a super massive blackhole is both anchoring and pulling us back towards itself that the universe's expansion is kept in check to enough of a degree that we can sit here and debate about these things. The fact that there is a similar situation going on in every galaxy is in my mind at least some sort of refutation to a fully chaotic state of being, and is instead a nod to intelligence being in some capacity the cause for things being as they are.
heres an old favourite stuff from atheists which i still fail to get an answer from the christians:
So god is this all knowing, all loving/forgiving/omnipotent/omnipresent and all that being. He is the definition of perfection. why the hell did he one day say, "oh i feel like making shit for no reason just because i can". wasnt he content when the perfect condition that he was in? or was he bored? but surely boredom is a sign of imperfection? or was he for some reason programmed to create by something else? there is no logical reason why this god created everything when everthing was perfect to begin with.
So he goes on and creates the universe, earth and all that. then he decides to create man kind. as the comedic genius that is Ricky Gervais once said, "... then he made man out of clay. He could've just said 'let there be man'- I'm sure a man would've still appeared, but he just felt like making out of clay for some reason". biblical hilarity aside, whats facinating about this god creature is that he, according to christians, loves to test us humans in our faith and love towards it. its like a mother asking her child whether it loves her or not then proceeding to chuck the said child into a pit of fire if the response doesnt satisfy her.
This is yet again a generalization of Christianity. Not all sects believe in "hell." Some believe in universal reconciliation, and some others believe in annihilationism. "Hell" is simply not scripturally sound though. Any Christian that explores deeply into the their faith and the Bible in general would recognize this lie. Also, you are using empirical human logic to determine the reasoning behind why a being outside of human logic did anything. If you can't understand why that is a bad idea, so be it.
can anyone explain the garden of eden to me please? it has so much plot holes its not funny. why did god create the tree of knowledge and tell adam and eve not to eat from it knowing fully well that if they do, they'll gain the knowledge of good and evil? to test us? what for? if you're the almighty god, you dont need our insignificant opinions. is he THAT selfconscious? why didnt god mention the tree of life and then scurry off to protect it with 'flaming swords' after adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge? it makes it look like as if god is scared that we'll possess both the knowledge of good and evil as well as eternal life. as if we'll become an equal to this 'god' and he had to stop it. it begs the question though, is god perfect? wasnt he also sick of the 'corruption' of the earth (which by the way, was his creation) that he pretty much said 'fuck it' and decided to flood the hell out of earth? is this not the biblical equivalent of reformating a computer because you (due to your imperfection) put too much shit in your computer?
btw, i find it hilarious that god is THE creator of the first weapon of mass destruction. a sword... thats on fucking fire. you can tell me off all you want seriously, but there is nothing metaphorical about the flaming sword protecting the tree bit.
You are taking this literally? Only maybe two schools of Christian thought do that. Every single other one teaches it is a parable. Even if we were not to take this completely metaphorically, what may have been the explanation comes from a very different line of thinking than mainstream Christianity/Judaism. Suppose a race of hyper-intelligent beings, possibly alien, named the Annunaki (some of which being the same fallen angels in the Bible) came to earth to create a race of intelligent workers from a pre-existing group who were still animalic niche organisms (similar to the state that Adam and Eve were in the beginning of Genesis). To keep us from being enslaved by these beings, God commanded that we stay away from them.
This would come with a trade-off. If we were to mingle with them, we would gain intelligence. If we did not, we would remain in a much more primative state. "Adam and Eve" not knowing the true rammifications of their actions because well, they were dumb animals, made the choice to be intelligent instead by allowing the beings to inject them with a type of bacteria
, altering our genetic code entirely. I couldn't ever with any certainty tell you if this was correct. It was however but one explanation I have heard to your question. I certainly do not close my brain off to alternate explanations of anything, because you just never know. I know I at least wasn't there then, so I have no idea if any of that was true or not.
As far as the flood, I have heard it was more or less a way to purge the earth from the sons of humans and the Annunaki/Fallen Angels, the giant Nephilim. The reason why other humans were destroyed was because that part of the world had become wicked idol worshipers, and did not heed the word of Noah. I don't believe it was the intention of God to destroy humanity based on what I read.
jesus' teaching is also confusing to me. one example is the famous, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone". Its about a girl who was caught in an act of adultery (note: she was getting raped. wheres the man who was raping her?). A man comes to jesus dragging her behind him and tells jesus to stone her because it was the law of god to do so (in jewish law, of which jesus had to abide to obviously. the man was testing jesus' faithfulness to god's law). obviously jesus is caught in a dilemma- if he doesnt stone the girl, he is disobeying the god's law. if he does, it goes against his teachings of peace. but in a fit of brilliance he says the famous line, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone" because, according to christians, jesus knew the men were hippocrites. Noone could stone her because everyone sins (technically, you're a sinner anyways even before you're born because of the original sin) and everyone was impressed because its one of those things which sounds deep and shit at first, until you realise that this means i can get away with what ever the hell i do. If i go steal a car and get caught, i can say, 'you cant persecute me because you're a sinner too'. Ive heard chritians tell me im so blinded to take it so literally, and that the 'real' message is more like 'judge not, lest you be judged' kinda thing but honestly, its a written text written by the hands of a human. everyone has their own interpretations- nothing in the bible says 'take this literally but that that as a metaphore'. its a freakin mess.
Well, a Christian's answer should have been that Yeshua needed not to follow any of "god's laws" as you put it because he was God. He would make the choice as to whether that would be lawful or not, not those trying to trumpet "god's laws" in Israel.
Edited by fykusfire, 08 September 2009 - 02:14 PM.