ok time for some logic in this thread...
for starters the whole "weapons of mass destruction" angle has been so overdramatised by the left it's sickening. this is becoming another one of thier pathetic rally cries to thier moronic base in a futile attempt to rally support. see...."selected not elected". WMD's discovery and elimination was a hopefull side effect of taking saddam out, but this was in no way shape or form the reason we went there.
did we belive he had them....yes
did he.......no
so everyone who said he had them and thats one of the reasons we should go take him out.....well that makes them horrible liers right???
ok fine, then kerry, clinton, shumer, pilliocy, boxer, kennedy, ect...ect... they all lied too. because they were all under the exact same assumtion given to us by british intell. which in fact, so far, has turned out to be wrong.
the reason the whole world believed saddam had these weapons????
1. he claimed he had them
2. he had them before (gassed the kurds)
3. he wouldn't allow inspectors to get check for any WMD's, and when he did he was playing games with them.
4. he basicly told the whole world to fuck off anytime we told him he wasn't allowed to posses any
this latest "find" doesn't ammount to much. it's not like we found huge stockpiles of weaponised anthrax or nukes or anything. but here's the problem with this whole situation, we went because saddam violated 17 un resolutions. the entire "invasion" was clearly spelled out for everyone and agreed to by the un. he violated the first 16, and finaly we (the un) had enuff. so we gave him one last chance.....he told us to fuck off. so the us puts together a coalition of multiple nations to go and take him out.
after 3 months of stalling from the french and the germans, we finaly get the approval from the un to go take this cocksucker out.
BTW for the record.....the only reason france and germany stalled us out, is because they were proffiting off saddam's oil. (see oil for food scandall). both france and germany had a great customer in saddam. they were making fat proffit of the oil coming out of iraq, and once saddam was out of power, so was thier contract. hence the stalling.
so yeah back to the point....
so the un says go get him out, we amass a coalition of forces from many countries in the un, and we go in to get him out of power.
ok so i've said this multiple times here before but i think it's a good point and it needs to be said...
if you're a drug dealer and the local sherrif calls you one day and says "hey...drug dealer....yeah we know your selling drugs and we are stopping by in about 3 months to raid your house...click" i'd immagine in that 3 months you'd find the time to sell all your drugs right? well there have been multiple reports of massive cargo movements leading up to the invasion. the syrian government has been working with the un and has basicly all but come out and said that saddam burried a bunch of shit in the syrian desert.
so anyway what i'm saying is despite the fact that this entire argument is a bunch of stupid leftist pot stirring, it's still possible that saddam did indeed have something, probably not nukes, but most definatley weaponised anthrax, or serin gas. lets not forget about "chemical ali" one of the most diabolical (see smart) germ/chemical warfare experts in the world working for him. it's not like he was paying the dude to kick back and make smoke bombs for him. i'm quite sure saddam had some nasty shit going on but we'll probably never be able to prove it.
in short this latest "proof" of wmd is a bunch of bullshit. old pre-desert storm crap isn't exactly what we were hoping to find whiel we were there. but again i think it's important we all understand that we didn't go there to find WMD in the first place. we went in to take him out of power because he broke the rules, basicly violated his probation.
it's like if you are driving west to get to cali, you might as well stop in vegas and hit the slots or some strip clubs whiel you're passing through. sure it would have been nice to find a bunch of nukes and say "see i told ya so" blah blah blah.....but in all reality....you never would have heard a word about it. the only reason this is even talked about by the antique media is because we haven't found anything yet.
this entire "war on terrorism" is just that....a war on terror. and saddam was one of the people out there stirring up the pot and funding the whole radical islamic movement in the middle east. he sponsored terrorist cells, provided them with weapons and training camps, ect... so naturaly he became target #2 on the list. there is a lot of work to do, and most of the inteligent in the world understand that these radical jihadists need to be contained. post 9-11 we've seen these people (islamo nut jobs) attack multiple countries killing many innocent people along the way. london, madrid, the riots in france, the attempts in canada (luckily theye were stopped)....these people have declared a war on everyone that doesn't practice thier religion. if you aren't a head cutter, they want to cut off your head. so they are at war with you. and they need to be stopped.
yes yes it wasn't saddam that flew planes on 9-11....no shit. but this is 2 completely different issues. we went after ossama because of the links to the 9-11 attacks, which has set off this worldwide crusade against islamic jihadism. this has been a long time comming, and should have been undertaken years ago by the first bush possibly, but especially by clinton. unfortunatley the worlds governments have done nothing to stop this invasion of throat cutters, and now we've kinda reached a point where it's become a necessity to stop them before things get more out of hand then they are already.
for thoes who will no doubt be replying to this post with the usuall bullshit, keep in mind i've done my best to be civil and refrain from flying off the handle as i usually do when discussing this tedious shit. it seems like the same shit gets brought up time and time again so i just tried to combine everything into one post to save everyone some time
now i'll just get my rebuttals to your objections out of the way
we went for oil.....
haven't gotten a drop yet, all oil is in controll of the citizens of iraq
you should go after ossama first.....
tried that, haven't found him yet, this came up in the mean time
bush is just getting him back for trying to kill his dad....
possibly but thats besides the point, the man violated countless nubers of un violations. he made agreements with us and brokew all of them. it was clearly spelled out what would happen if he broke thoese agreements, and what you see is what he agreed to
were not making any progress....
sorry wrong, this is an unfortunate side effect of lack of information. we are making great progress over there. the government is in the hands of the iraqui people, they have a legitamate democracy, they have a real police force, no more rape/torture/murder rooms, the infrastucture of iraq is being restored daily...we've built countless roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, ect....
yeah but you had to fix all that because you screwed it up....
it's called a war, at least we are staying this time to clean up our mess
you work for/are a slave to the fox news channel....
on the contrary, most if not all liberals are just acustom to getting thier news with a liberal twist. the big/antique media that has ran this country for so long is unwraveling. as evident by things like the whole dan blather dibocle. if there is no slant then there wouldn't be such a demand for talk radio and fox news. places like this are a good source of a "the other side" of the news. if fox and talk radio seem slanted to the right...it's because they are. they are doing the opposite of what everyone else does, they tell the news from a republican standpoint vs a democrat one. the only reason so many people like talk radio and the fox news channel is so they can get the other side of the story. it's refreshing to hear the other side of the argument for once, and it's got the libs all pissed off that someone finaly is telling the other side of the story.
bush is behind 9-11, i'm an alex jones fan boy and i have michale moores baby batter on my chin.....
grow up
in closing i'd just like to add my new favorite bumper sticker
"vote democrat....it's easier than working"
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